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A fact from Fédération Française de Catch Professionnel appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 April 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that 1924 Gold Medal Olympian Henri Deglane (pictured) co-founded a professional wrestling promotion in France which featured catch wrestling?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fédération Française de Catch Professionnel.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 14:46, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Henri Deglane

... that the French pro wrestling promotion Fédération Française de Catch Professionnel was co-founded by 1924 Gold Medal Olympian Henri Deglane (pictured)? Source: John Grasso (6 March 2014). Historical Dictionary of Wrestling. Scarecrow Press. p. 104. ISBN 978-0-8108-7926-3. The French professional wrestling association, La Fédération Française de Catch Professionel, was founded in 1933 by former Olympic wrestlers Henri Deglane and Raoul Paoli.
- ALT1 ... that the Fédération Française de Catch Professionnel was the first-ever professional wrestling promotion in France? Source: John Grasso (6 March 2014). Historical Dictionary of Wrestling. Scarecrow Press. p. 104. ISBN 978-0-8108-7926-3. Professional wrestling has been held in France for more than 75 years. [...] The French professional wrestling association, La Fédération Française de Catch Professionel, was founded in 1933 by former Olympic wrestlers Henri Deglane and Raoul Paoli.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cora Slocomb di Brazza
- Comment: Nominating for 173.162.220.17 based on the discussion at DYK

Moved to mainspace by 173.162.220.17 (talk). Nominated by Bruxton (talk) at 04:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Fédération Française de Catch Professionnel; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Moved to mainspace on April 5, well written and cited, no plagiarism whatsoever; both proposed hooks are nice and verified (leaning slightly toward the first variant). Picture visible and properly licensed; I took the liberty of adding it to the article which is a DYK requirement. QPQ done by nominator. Dahn (talk) 04:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @Dahn: Bruxton (talk) 15:34, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bruxton and Dahn: I don't find the "first" claim explicitly stated in the article or the source? These claims always attract scrutiny, so it should be clearly stated and cited or the hook is likely to be queried at ERRORS and pulled. Thanks. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 09:22, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Sojourner in the earth: Professional wrestling began in France around 1830. And the "first" claim is troublesome. I have added information to support a hool that I will propose:

ALT2 ... that 1924 Gold Medal Olympian Henri Deglane (pictured) co-founded a professional wrestling promotion in France which featured catch wrestling?

Bruxton (talk) 14:59, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And @Dahn: should have a look at ALT2 Bruxton (talk) 15:37, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I had missed that issue, and indeed, ALT2 is better. Dahn (talk) 15:40, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Sojourner in the earth: best practice is to remove the "No" you have placed after it is corrected. Otherwise promotors may wonder if your concerns have been addressed. This particular nomination was made on behalf of an IP who could not nominate it, so I have assisted. Bruxton (talk) 00:19, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've removed the icon. I haven't checked ALT2 myself, but the sources are online and I assume Dahn has done due diligence. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 05:29, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, the hook isn't implying pro wrestling didn't exist in France before the FFCP. The FFCP was the first "modern" pro wrestling promotion in France. These types of companies didn't come into existence until well into the 20th century. The world's oldest company, Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre, was founded in 1933. 173.162.220.17 (talk) 17:20, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

André the Giant

- ALT3 ... that André the Giant (pictured) made his pro wrestling debut in Fédération Française de Catch Professionnel?

Source: Hébert, Bertrand; Laprade, Pat (2020). "Chapter 2: The Birth of Jean Ferre". The Eighth Wonder of the World: The True Story of André the Giant. Toronto, Ontario: ECW Press. ISBN 978-1-77041-466-2.

Dispute with IWSF/Jacky Richard/Flesh Gordon

Can someone add a section on here explaining the bittery rivalry between the big two Old School French Wrestling promotions? I know promotions have competed with each other all over the world since time immemorial, but FFCP and IWSF care more about killing each other off than competing with the French equivalents of the New School promotions let alone WWE and other invading American promotions. I know each of them refuses to speak to any journalists who talk to the other one and they both accuse each other of being evil fraudsters, but I can't seen to find a neutral impartial account of the feud and what it is all about. There is a certain amount about the feud here but it doesn't make it clear what it's all about, it just has Marc Mercier complaining about the IWSF just as they are reportedly liable to say the same about them.Romomusicfan (talk) 07:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Have had a go at putting in a section, but needs expanding to explain just what the underlying issues are.Romomusicfan (talk) 12:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Professional wrestling in France

Have created a redirect to this page. Hopefully a wider article about France as a wrestling territory can be written.Romomusicfan (talk) 10:57, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Le Catch on TF1 - what years did it start and finish?

Needs to be added to the Golden Years section. Also the circumstances of cancellation would be useful - who was the French Greg Dyke? Romomusicfan (talk) 13:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]